Friday, May 20, 2005

When people embody the stereotypes about them

"filthy barbarians, that's all they are"

As seen on the College Republicans blog at the end of a post about Islam. To the blog's credit, Nigel points out in a comment that, "I agree that some individuals who continue to incite this type of violence aren't very helpful people for the image of their religion, but I think it's important to remember many of them are very different from the millions of muslims who are as peace loving as their christian, hindu, jewish, atheist and other brothers and sisters."

I wonder how the author would rationalize the fact that:
The results with respect to Islam do not support the notion that it is inimical to growth. On the contrary, virtually every statistically significant coefficient on Muslim population shares reported in this paper -- in both cross-country and within-country statistical analyses -- is positive. If anything, Islam promotes growth.
with his understanding of 'filthy barbarians.'


Allison L said...

An ironic comment, to be sure.

I'm sure I'll be hearing from one of your lovable bloggers and his inability to escape stereotypes quite soon, seeing as all I write is bush-bashing and military-hating.

marco said...

I guess we all embody our own stereotypes... does that mean they are true?

Allison L said...

I don't think we necessarily embody them all the time- but it's probably fun to. But then, predictability would get boring after a while.

Stereotypes can be so randomly generated- one way, for instance, is the matchup of a rare event with a member of a minority. That rare event could be almost anything, but usually something negative.

Stereotypes are probably true for a few individuals, but not the majority of the people stereotyped.

Randfan said...

two valid points were made in that C.R. article; those who wish us dead are filthy barbarians, but of course, not all Muslims.

Also, Islam is not a Religion of Peace, at no point in all of it's history, has it been. Islam has been reworked to created totalitarian states that represent the exact opposite of what libertarians believe.

If Islam = change/progress, why are they still in the 1300s?

check out this article supporting the same point at the Ayn Rand Institute:

Jeff said...

India is a fairly backwards country and they're mostly hindu. Why not hate on hindus? China is a fairly backwards county. Why not hate on buddhists?

I suggest you talk with some muslims before you make the uneducated comment that their religion is any more different from Christianity than Judaism is.

Remember, Christianity has been used to justify wrongful acts before. And I don't just mean the Crusades. Perhaps you're aware that slaveholders in the early 19th Century generally quoted the Bible as proof that slavery was acceptable to God.

But slaveholders did not represent true Christians. They represented a small group of people that misinterpreted the Bible. Just as the terrorists that run amok in the middle east are a small group of people that are misinterpreting the Koran.

To associate the average Muslim with Osama Bin Laden is as silly as associating yourself with Nathan Bedford Forrest.

Anonymous said...

Jeff said...

I'm sure someone could go through the Bible and try to manipulate the words to words of terror. And people are certainly influenced - the Bible was used to justify slavery, the crusades, etc.

And there are some people who are influenced by the terrorist interpretation of the Koran. But to say that the MAJORITY of muslims incorrectly interpret the Koran this way is just insulting to the religion.

Nigel Tufnel said...

I agree with Jeff here. Any work can be contorted to make it seem to be violent. I personally am not suggesting that extremists are the ones in the majority, but they may be the ones in power.

Francesco said...

The problem here, is that the behavior in London, is apparently being sanctioned by National Muslim Associations.

If this attitude and sentiment is not representative of the entire muslim people, which I sincerely hope it is not, the perceived sanctioning of these "evil" messages are not doing anyone any favors.

To outsiders, like myself, who have no real way to gauge "true" muslim beliefs and ideal, a sanctioned demonstration would seem to inditate that the message is at least, in part, supported by the muslim community.

Rarely do we seem to hear or read opinions from "moderate" muslim leaders who express a more realistic view on world affiars. Until people stand up to the radical messages being broadcast around the world, you can't blame non-muslims when they think the entire religion has gone mad.

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